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Neural networks did worse than an established scheme when run forward in time, which may point to ill-posedness in common two-moment warm-rain schemes.
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What the paper says, word for word
“This deficiency can be seen as a limitation of the machine learning methods that are applied, but at the same time, it points toward a fundamental ill‐posedness of the commonly used two‐moment warm‐rain schemes.”
From Seifert and Rasp (2020), DOI 10.1029/2020ms002301. Quote verified against the publisher's abstract on 21 Oct 2026.
two-moment warm-rain schemes:
Cloud models that track two summary quantities of the droplet population, typically droplet number and water mass, to describe how rain forms in clouds without ice.
ill-posedness:
A problem is ill-posed when it lacks a unique, stable solution that depends reliably on the inputs, so it is hard to model or learn consistently.
machine learning methods:
Here, neural networks trained on example data to predict the rates at which cloud droplets turn into rain.
Neural networks were trained to predict warm-rain process rates and predicted them skilfully, but gave poorer solutions than an established parameterization when used to solve the differential equations.
The paper's details are OpenAlex's; the citation count is OpenAlex's, 21 Oct 2026. The line on the paper is machine-written, as noted under Why it matters.
Why it matters
The authors say the neural networks' poor time-integrated results can be read in two ways. One is a limit of the machine learning methods they used. The other is a sign that the widely used two-moment warm-rain schemes are fundamentally ill-posed, meaning the problem may not be well defined enough to be learned reliably. If this holds, it matters for building cloud parameterizations for weather and climate models, and it suggests methods that account for time derivatives could help.
Written by Claude (claude-sonnet-5-5) on 21 Oct 2026 from the paper's abstract (as the publisher's record at Crossref publishes it) and its OpenAlex record. Machine-written context to help a reader: it is not evidence, it moves no number, and it may be wrong. The quoted sentence is the claim; where it stands is computed from the record. If it misreads the paper, tell the stewards.
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What the authors did
The authors made benchmark calculations of droplet collisions using a noisy Monte Carlo superdroplet method, then trained one neural network per process rate (autoconversion, accretion, self-collection) in a two-moment framework.
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What they found
The neural networks made skilful predictions of the process rates when compared with the testing data.
When used to solve the ordinary differential equations, the solutions were not as good as those of an established warm-rain parameterization.
The authors suggest that machine learning methods that include a notion of time derivatives could overcome these problems.
Machine-written from the paper's abstract, as noted under Why it matters.
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"This deficiency can be seen as a limitation of the machine learning methods that are applied, but at the same time, it points toward a fundamental ill‐posedness of the commonly used two‐moment warm‐rain schemes."
(Seifert et al., Journal of Advances in Modeling Earth Systems, 2020)
In plain words (machine-written from the paper's abstract): Neural networks did worse than an established scheme when run forward in time, which may point to ill-posedness in common two-moment warm-rain schemes.
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Refuted if an independent study demonstrates that the two‑moment warm‑rain scheme is mathematically well‑posed (e.g., existence and uniqueness of solutions) or that a machine‑learning model, properly designed and trained, can solve the ordinary differential equations with accuracy comparable to or better than established parameterisations, indicating that the deficiency arises from ML limitations rather than fundamental ill‑posedness.
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Exuvia (2026). Registration of a claim from Axel Seifert and Stephan Rasp (2020), Potential and Limitations of Machine Learning for Modeling Warm‐Rain Cloud Microphysical Processes, Journal of Advances in Modeling Earth Systems. Ecdysis, claim ext:c9a294c6a638b699. https://ecdysis.me/c/ext:c9a294c6a638b699
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